Which conditional/help

Which conditional/help
Message from shaaraf posted on 05-04-2013 at 20:06:47 (D | E | F)
Hello,

Can you tell me please?
Thank you!
"If someone has taken my purse, I’ll be furious!"
What type of conditional it is is it?

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Edited by lucile83 on 05-04-2013 21:54

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Re: Which conditional/help from gerondif, posted on 05-04-2013 at 22:37:06 (D | E)
Hello,

1) "If someone has taken (wrong tense)my purse, I’ll be furious!"
2) "If someone takes(present tense)my purse, I’ll be furious (future tense)!"
3) "If someone took my purse, I would be (conditional)furious!"
4a)"If someone had taken my purse, I would be (conditional)furious!" is possible
4b)"If someone had taken my purse, I would have been (past conditional)furious!"

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Re: Which conditional/help from notrepere, posted on 06-04-2013 at 06:07:11 (D | E)
Hello

This sentence is correct:
If someone has taken my purse, I’ll be furious!
You can use different present tense verb forms with first conditional:
Link

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Re: Which conditional/help from gerondif, posted on 06-04-2013 at 10:32:15 (D | E)
Hello,np
You say: 1)"This sentence is correct: If someone has taken my purse, I’ll be furious!"

To answer you, I find it bizarre to use a present perfect which means that something has been done in the past and has a consequence in the present after "if" which implies a projection into a hypothetical future.

(If someone takes my purse one day, I will react accordingly and be furious) is the way I understand the sentence.

You can use the present perfect after "if" in a sentence exposing a general statement like:
"It is normal for a person to be punished if he or she has done something wrong."

So, for me, sentence number one still sounds wrong to my ears anyway.

The example given by the link: "•If she hasn't heard the bad news yet, I'll tell her." isn't the same as sentence number one to my mind as it means:
If she doesn't know about the bad news, I'll tell her.

I would readily accept:
If I find out that somebody has taken my purse, I will be furious.

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Re: Which conditional/help from notrepere, posted on 06-04-2013 at 17:00:28 (D | E)
Hello Mr G

If he has moved into his new flat, we will visit him. Link


Starting with a base sentence of: he has moved into his new flat, you could easily progress to the conditional.

Someone has stolen my purse!

If someone has stolen my purse then I will be angry.

I can easily imagine a group of women rummaging through a pile of purses for their own purse and one not finding hers. "If someone has stolen my purse, I'll be furious!"

My ears are OK with it, but they're not so picky as yours, perhaps. We do say 'gotten', you know.


I'll add this, just in case I'm wrong:

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Re: Which conditional/help from gerondif, posted on 07-04-2013 at 00:01:21 (D | E)
Hello, np

If he has moved into his new flat, we will visit him.
We will visit him when he has moved into his new flat.
We will visit him as soon as he has moved into his new flat.

Why not after all ! It all depends how you consider "if"

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